CoRDiTe

I see a lot of people selling RHD Civics, Integras, RX-7's, Toyotas, and Nissans. I understand some are legal. They came here legally with papers and some are titled in the state of Florida. My questions is how about the ones that aren't titled or registered in the state of Florida???


Lets say I have a 94 Acura Integra LHD legally registered and insured in the state of Florida and I went and bought a 94 Acura Integra RHD imported from Japan but it's not registered in the state of FL or it's not registered in the U.S or it has no title/paperwork. If I swapped out the parts and put it in my 94 Integra that is legally registered would it still be legal to drive it around? What if I get pulled over by a LEO for something else and he sees that my car is not LHD. Could it get impounded for not being correct according to the VIN ???

Empire

lots of people have been pulled over with no problems.
As I understand it, because it has a legit VIN, it is legal and there isn't a whole lot that they can do about it, unless they can prove that it is an "unsafe driving condition" kinda like how they can give you a ticket for bald tires.
could be wrong, but that is my understanding.

K20A2

As long as you aren't swapping vins you'll be fine

zhillz

Modifying your car in any way is illegal if its not oem parts or equivalent. TECHNICALLY, a rhd conversion is OEM just not in our country so I'm not sure on that part, but I have always herd that you have to get your shit inspected after the conversion. What does it matter anyways? Florida doesn't give a fuck about motor vehicle laws.

OopsWrongHole

Good read i came across awhile ago on HT

Importing a Grey Market Vehicle (the facts on what's legal and what's not) - Honda-Tech


First, I would like to start off by saying I do not own an RHD Honda R or any grey market vehicle for that matter. But I’m pretty damn sure I know more about their legality than anyone on this site. I have spent the last 5 years researching importing grey market vehicles and how it has to be done to make a one legal.

The first thing people always want to know is how to register a GMV. Almost ALL grey market vehicle owners (or the company that imported the chassis) paid someone at the DMV (someone who knew somebody who know somebody) a couple thousand (under the table) so they would write them a US title using the original 10 digit Japanese serial number. This is ILLEGAL. GMVs (grey market vehicles) must go through a rigorous process. Just because your CTR or ITR is STATE titled and STATE registered doesn’t make it legal. Most state DMV workers do not know the ins and outs of GMV FEDERAL requirements. (Federal meaning ALL 50 US states HAVE TO COMPLY)

First, a GMV must be imported for the purpose of being driven on US public roads. If you import a Honda ITR for track use, it can NEVER be registered and driven on public roads legally because it will be considered contraband (bringing it into the country for one reason then using it for another; track car then US public road car is a no no) So you import an ITR from a RI (Registered Importer) You pay them for shipping and yada yada, it comes into a port, and US customs must inspect the car. You must show proof of why it is being imported. You must then start the process of making your GMV comply with US standards (NHTSA, DOT, and EPA standards).

You’ll have to provide crash test ratings for your exact year and model car to the NHTSA. Honda of Japan will NOT provide you with these crash ratings. You’ll have to provide the NHTSA with these. Meaning you’ll have to import several (4 or more ITRs of the same year/model or however many it takes to gather the information needed to meet the US safety crash standards.) All vehicles crashed must be converted to meet US safety standards: which requires US Spec DOT approved seatbelts, airbags, door beams, glass, gauge cluster, head lights, tail lights, and front and rear bumper supports, just to name a FEW things) You’re looking at several thousand dollars PER car on top of you purchasing all these cars for the sole purpose of paying a crash test company to completely destroy them (this will also cost you THOUSANDS of dollars.) After all this, you will have your precious crash test ratings, the DOT will then REASSIGN your GMV a 17 digit US Vin and a US Title so you can register your GMV in any state legally. Nobody has ever done this with a CTR or Honda ITR. Without a 17 digit reassigned US Vin your GMV is ILLEGAL!

Then you’ll have to get your GMV EPA certified. This requires your GMV to be hooked up to one of the EPA's diagnostic smog whatchamacallits. Then they’ll have to install a catalytic converter(s) and whatever else they need to make it meet the EPA minimum requirements for smog. Then you’ll get a fat bill and your GMV will then be EPA certified. This is a very watered down description. This process also cost several thousand dollars and a lot of work.

After all this, you’ve spent an ungodly amount of money on a 15 year old Honda. There’s a reason why nobody has done this, it is simply too expensive. And even if you were to spend all this damn money on making your GMV 100% legal, the DOT could still deny you the required 17 digit reassigned VIN. Why, because they don’t have to let you bring in a GMV. They can simply deny your request because they don’t like the fact its RHD or because we already have an Acura Integra Type R, why do you really need an RHD one? They can simply deny your request and not give you a reason why. Then people always want to know how long this process takes. Well, nobody has ever done this but it would take several months and tens of thousands of dollars.

People also want to know what you have to do to get “them” to LET you register the car in the first place. As I previously mentioned, most GMV’s are titled and registered from money under the table at your local DMV. But don’t expect 10 digit serial numbered GMV's to get registered again. The DOT shut this shit down last year when they figured out that state DMV's were doing this. A lot of people tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about and they say they daily drive their 10 digit registered GMV every day and never have a problem. I’m not saying you can’t get away with a 10 digit STATE registered and STATE titled GMV; plenty of people are getting away with it. I’m simply stating the FACTS. I’m not doing writing this to be arrogant; I’m doing it because I want to let people know what I know. I’ve spent countless hours on the phone with the DOT, NHTSA, and EPA along with several Registered Importers, DMV’s, and US Customs.

Then people ask “was it hard to Insure?” If you get a reassigned 17 digit VIN then it would be like insuring any US spec car. But with a 10 digit Japanese serial number STATE registered car, it could be difficult. If you have a state titled/registered 10 digit GMV that’s insured and you get in a wreck you could be in trouble. If the local authorities that visit the crash site notice your car is RHD and doesn’t have a 17 digit VIN, and they know the FEDERAL standards for GMV’s, your insurance could deny you every penny of what your cars worth because its not suppose to be on US roads. I know there’s a lot of “ifs” and I’m sure there have been several insurance claims on illegal GMV’s that went smoothly, but this technically could happen.

Then it’s always “what company did you buy the Car or Cars from?” There are plenty of Japanese style "autotraders" and a handful of Registered Importers that can help you get one over to our shores. Buying a GMV and bringing it to a US port is the easy part. Making it legal for US roads is something NOBODY has done. (with the exception of cars that are elligable)

A foreign vehicle that is imported without a motor is brought through customs as an “automobile part.” Bringing in a chassis (as an automobile part) and installing a motor is ILLEGAL; even if it was only driven OFF public roads.(Not that your track car is going to be impounded unless you’re driving it on public roads) This falls under the contraband rule. I’m not saying you and your STATE registered GMV will get caught, I’m saying if you do get caught, you’re looking at your precious car getting impounded and getting handed over to US customs. That will entitle your GMV getting crushed and you’ll be given several thousand dollars worth of fees. Thinking about doing a VIN swap? That’s a 3 to 5 year felony. Is a CTR or rhd ITR worth jail time? No, it’s not. Thinking about driving it around on a dealer plate? That’s illegal as well.

Why do I know these things? Because I’ve wanted a Honda Integra Type R since I was 10 years old; so I feel your pain. However, there is a light at the end of the tunnel! When a vehicle (even foreign) becomes 25 years old, it will be considered a “classic car” and can LEGALLY be imported into the US without meeting all these crazy safety/smog standards. So you can be like me and wait for the classic car rule, or get a little ballsy and drive your illegally titled and registered GMV. I’m not telling you what you should and shouldn’t do, I’m just trying to let you know the risk you’re taking.

To wrap this up, there is not a single Honda ITR or CTR in this country that is legally driving on public roads. There are going to be a lot of people who tell me I’m wrong and I don’t know what I’m talking about, and that’s fine. I know the laws and regulations regarding importing grey market vehicles. These are not opinions, they are the facts. If anyone has any questions regarding grey market vehicles please feel free to ask and I’ll do my best to answer. This is a very brief explanation of the lengthy process. If I were to type up every detail, it would be several pages of information.

-Andrew Golseth
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Petitt

^ good find

FoxHondaRider

Its not that bad if the car has a U.S. produced counterpart but when the car was never made here, then you run into some problems. I see people register them as kit cars. RHD is cool and all for the rarity and wow factor but truth of the matter is, it is more dangerous to drive in a predominately LHD country. Why you ask? You cannot see what is coming in the other lane when another vehicle is in front of you and the biggest problem is right turns at intersections. You must look across your car to try and see traffic. It's not that bad but it does make it slightly more dangerous to drive. As far as converting to RHD, thats gay, uncool, and a waste of money. You just become a stupid fanboy.

Josh.

Simple enough response: RHD swaps are not illegal.

What makes a RHD vehicle illlegal is the actual Emissions and Saftey IE Airbags, Crumple zones, Catalytic Converter etc..

CoRDiTe

Lots of mail carrier vehicles are RHD. I've seen the US postal office use Jeeps, vans, and Mail trucks that are RHD. I don't think it's that difficult to drive RHD. That's not the issue. Issue is if it's legal or illegal. Who cares if it's uncool or you're a ricer or not. Legal or illegal. That's the question.

dan

Mail vehicles aren't trying to race them around either though, they're usually 95% slow speed activity.

RHD swaps seem to be the way to go since if they're done correctly (emphasis on correctly), they still retain the proper structural rigidity of the vehicle and whatnot. The imported ones, whether there was a "USDM counterpart" or not, are the ones that may be locally legal, but never federally legal. For the most part, they are a novelty (aka dumb, in layman's terms), and are more form than function. I think most of the RHD craze has died down as far as importing, mainly because the importable cars are either getting way older, or there are too many better options stateside to just buy.



also, lol at the kid in the sig getting his junk whacked. total setup, but still hilarious.