Hybrids are worthless except as an intermediate step towards fuel cell cars. The Chevy Volt concept they showed recently was the first hybrid I've really been excited by. Full electric drivetrain, plug-in hybrid that runs the first 40 miles on house charge. 1.0l turbo 3-cyl generator kicks in after that to charge the batteries, but the best part is that the engine is separate from the drivetrain and could easily be switched for any other electric generator. Say, a fuel cell when hydrogen becomes available.

If I wanted to buy a cheap commuter car right now, I'd either go for a Yaris or a Fit. 35 mpg at 14k > 45 mpg at 30k.

 

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The original article is an opinion piece (i.e., no fact-checking) for a college newspaper that publishes wild claims in a pathetic attempt to draw attention to itself. In February, The Recorder published "Rape only hurts if you fight it" and now in March, "Prius outdoes hummer." This newspaper and this article are garbage.

1. Regarding new EPA mileage estimates, Demorro claims the Chevy Aveo's mileage puts it within "spitting distance" of the Prius. The new EPA combined mileage put the Chevy Aveo at 26 mpg, the Toyota Prius at 46 mpg. So I guess 20 miles more per gallon is "spitting distance."

2. The "Dust-to-dust" study is from a marketing firm, not a science journal. It arrives at an artificially high cost for the Prius by assigning it an arbitrary lifespan of 100k miles, and a Hummer 300k miles. There's Prius being used as cabs that have 200k on them now: Taxi driver makes career out of hybrids - Grist Magazine - MSNBC.com

And, insofar as a car lasting, what car do you expect to repair less? A Toyota Prius or a GM Hummer? You can check Consumer Reports for the answer to that one. A good analysis of the flaws in dust-to-dust is available here.

3. The Sudbury info is seriously outdated, and the comment about moon buggies (like, when did Nasa test moon buggies — early 1970’s) ought to have given the author a clue. Sudbury was polluted by a century of mining (1870 on). In fact, some of Sudbury’s nickel went into making the Statue of Liberty. Currently, the mine is owned by INCO (not Toyota), and produces 100,000 tons of nickel a year, of which Toyota buys 1% (1000 tons). Blaming Toyota for the pollution at Sudbury is ludicrous. Nickel, by the way, is primarily used to make stainless steel. The Mail on Sunday newspaper, which ran the story the college article is a thin re-write of (visible here Toyota factory turns landscape to arid wilderness | the Mail on Sunday ), used a stock photo you can buy online taken in 1994 to illustrate the pollution (visible here PAUL SOUDERS | WORLDFOTO ). There were, of course, no Prius in existence or being manufactured in 1994.

Furthermore, Sudbury is no longer this polluted, as INCO and the city have planted over 8 million trees there since 1979. The best history online of the Sudbury devastation/reforestation comes from GM Canada -- that's GM, maker of the Hummer, ahem, writing about how Sudbury was polluted and how it has come back. Really, one should blame Chicago more than Toyota, as Sudbury's trees were all cut down in 1871 to help rebuild Chicago after the fire. GM provides telling photos of some of the reclamation from 1979 to present.


Canadian news recently broadcast a show on Sudbury's regreening (the acid rain problem David Martin of Greenpeace is talking about is the situation pre 1972):

The author of this article, Demorro, is so fact-challenged that in his follow-up piece he recommends people buy a Tesla Roadster for $30,000. The Tesla Roadster actually costs $92,000.

 

You set up a TR account just so you could cut and paste a re-buttle to this thread?

Al Gore would be proud.

 

i like the idea of just buying an xB instead. the toasters look 10x's better than a prius anyday.

 

You guys have a problem: Hummer big, dick small !

 

^^^^ Hahaha

 

I recall that McDonalds once used paper containers until the environmental wackos hollered............"kill a tree, etc..."

When McD started using plastic, the environmental wackos hollered
............."plastic comes from petroluem", etc....."

When are we going to realize that you will never please the leftists,
and it is pointless to bend over to even try. So that the leftists can continually complain, they will constantly switch sides, and constantly use deception where needed.
Your example of Al Gore's book is only one example.-Bob

 

lol Prius lovers.

 

Posted 03.21.07 ... yea this is so old.

Spammers suck.

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