New school domestics vs. imports.....
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Just my .02.
I think most import manufacturers are concentrating on their core market, and have been for the past few years. It might be a bit boring to consumers looking for "sports cars", but in a global recession it's a smart business move. They need to sell a lot of cars, and in order to do so they have to design their cars to appeal to the average consumer. The big three can get away with having niche cars like the mustang and camaro partly due to fleet sales, and the popularity of their trucks. They don't have to rely on only one or two platforms to make all of it's sales. Smaller companies like honda need to sell a certain amount of civics and accords, and their platforms will be originally designed with the average consumer in mind. That's not to say the civic si is not sporty.
Also trying to compare new/used cars and cars in vastly different price ranges where one is stock and one is modified is just opening a can of worms in terms of comparisons, and there are an infinite number of comparisons we could make.
Looking at the nissan 370z. While it is a nice car. The main things most consumers care about with these cars are price, image, and stoplight racing (also bench racing as shown in this thread). The likelihood of a mustang or 370z going to a road course for any type of actual competition use is slim. Drag racing a daily driver isn't a typical thing either. I looked at both the 350z and Mustang when I purchased my car, I liked the fact that the mustang had a back seat, but the fact that I was able to get the mustang for 5k cheaper was the deal clincher for me. Both cars are plenty fast, and handle well enough for your average consumer to enjoy. If your choosing a car based on the fact that it can run the quarter mile in .2 faster than another car in stock form damned the price, than your an idiot. There's a lot more to a car than just magazine numbers and modified examples of a given car. Not everyone values the same thing in a car, as mentioned in this thread. Some people value comfortable or luxurious interiors, some find value in a badge, some find value in hp/liter, and some value torque.
I think most import manufacturers are concentrating on their core market, and have been for the past few years. It might be a bit boring to consumers looking for "sports cars", but in a global recession it's a smart business move. They need to sell a lot of cars, and in order to do so they have to design their cars to appeal to the average consumer. The big three can get away with having niche cars like the mustang and camaro partly due to fleet sales, and the popularity of their trucks. They don't have to rely on only one or two platforms to make all of it's sales. Smaller companies like honda need to sell a certain amount of civics and accords, and their platforms will be originally designed with the average consumer in mind. That's not to say the civic si is not sporty.
Also trying to compare new/used cars and cars in vastly different price ranges where one is stock and one is modified is just opening a can of worms in terms of comparisons, and there are an infinite number of comparisons we could make.
Looking at the nissan 370z. While it is a nice car. The main things most consumers care about with these cars are price, image, and stoplight racing (also bench racing as shown in this thread). The likelihood of a mustang or 370z going to a road course for any type of actual competition use is slim. Drag racing a daily driver isn't a typical thing either. I looked at both the 350z and Mustang when I purchased my car, I liked the fact that the mustang had a back seat, but the fact that I was able to get the mustang for 5k cheaper was the deal clincher for me. Both cars are plenty fast, and handle well enough for your average consumer to enjoy. If your choosing a car based on the fact that it can run the quarter mile in .2 faster than another car in stock form damned the price, than your an idiot. There's a lot more to a car than just magazine numbers and modified examples of a given car. Not everyone values the same thing in a car, as mentioned in this thread. Some people value comfortable or luxurious interiors, some find value in a badge, some find value in hp/liter, and some value torque.
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Just my .02.
I think most import manufacturers are concentrating on their core market, and have been for the past few years. It might be a bit boring to consumers looking for "sports cars", but in a global recession it's a smart business move. They need to sell a lot of cars, and in order to do so they have to design their cars to appeal to the average consumer. The big three can get away with having niche cars like the mustang and camaro partly due to fleet sales, and the popularity of their trucks. They don't have to rely on only one or two platforms to make all of it's sales. Smaller companies like honda need to sell a certain amount of civics and accords, and their platforms will be originally designed with the average consumer in mind. That's not to say the civic si is not sporty.
Also trying to compare new/used cars and cars in vastly different price ranges where one is stock and one is modified is just opening a can of worms in terms of comparisons, and there are an infinite number of comparisons we could make.
Looking at the nissan 370z. While it is a nice car. The main things most consumers care about with these cars are price, image, and stoplight racing (also bench racing as shown in this thread). The likelihood of a mustang or 370z going to a road course for any type of actual competition use is slim. Drag racing a daily driver isn't a typical thing either. I looked at both the 350z and Mustang when I purchased my car, I liked the fact that the mustang had a back seat, but the fact that I was able to get the mustang for 5k cheaper was the deal clincher for me. Both cars are plenty fast, and handle well enough for your average consumer to enjoy. If your choosing a car based on the fact that it can run the quarter mile in .2 faster than another car in stock form damned the price, than your an idiot. There's a lot more to a car than just magazine numbers and modified examples of a given car. Not everyone values the same thing in a car, as mentioned in this thread. Some people value comfortable or luxurious interiors, some find value in a badge, some find value in hp/liter, and some value torque.
I think most import manufacturers are concentrating on their core market, and have been for the past few years. It might be a bit boring to consumers looking for "sports cars", but in a global recession it's a smart business move. They need to sell a lot of cars, and in order to do so they have to design their cars to appeal to the average consumer. The big three can get away with having niche cars like the mustang and camaro partly due to fleet sales, and the popularity of their trucks. They don't have to rely on only one or two platforms to make all of it's sales. Smaller companies like honda need to sell a certain amount of civics and accords, and their platforms will be originally designed with the average consumer in mind. That's not to say the civic si is not sporty.
Also trying to compare new/used cars and cars in vastly different price ranges where one is stock and one is modified is just opening a can of worms in terms of comparisons, and there are an infinite number of comparisons we could make.
Looking at the nissan 370z. While it is a nice car. The main things most consumers care about with these cars are price, image, and stoplight racing (also bench racing as shown in this thread). The likelihood of a mustang or 370z going to a road course for any type of actual competition use is slim. Drag racing a daily driver isn't a typical thing either. I looked at both the 350z and Mustang when I purchased my car, I liked the fact that the mustang had a back seat, but the fact that I was able to get the mustang for 5k cheaper was the deal clincher for me. Both cars are plenty fast, and handle well enough for your average consumer to enjoy. If your choosing a car based on the fact that it can run the quarter mile in .2 faster than another car in stock form damned the price, than your an idiot. There's a lot more to a car than just magazine numbers and modified examples of a given car. Not everyone values the same thing in a car, as mentioned in this thread. Some people value comfortable or luxurious interiors, some find value in a badge, some find value in hp/liter, and some value torque.
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16-22 year old who thinks their shitty looking civic is better then every other car.
vs a 27+ year old person who drives one, has it looking pretty much stock. Doesn't beat the shit out of it or mod it up. Maybe an upgraded radio and some nice mags and that's about it.
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Not part of the random arguments currently going on, but as for the RX8 hate, you guys need to check out the diasio car company. the D962R Turbo is powered by the renesis 13B from the RX8, all they did was slap on a GT35 turbo, and a sequential race transmission, and they managed 435hp. I asked the owner of the company (whom I met while he was doing testing at sebring with D962R Turbo #008 ) how often they had to rebuild the engines, as is common for race vehicles, and he told me that they had been running that car almost every weekend for 3 straight years without needing to rebuild a single thing. I would totally rock a 35R RX8.
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oh jesus, i didnt know there was so much rx8 hate in here. makes me sad...
i mean yeah its kinda slow, but damn. oh and the fact they ran the exhaust through the irons, oh and that theyre heavy as shit. well and the body roll, but other than that its a good car.
i mean yeah its kinda slow, but damn. oh and the fact they ran the exhaust through the irons, oh and that theyre heavy as shit. well and the body roll, but other than that its a good car.
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I love how import vs domestic always turns into one guy saying nothing can beat a:
300 dollar shell + k series+boost.
Then the typical (same) anti Honda guys making blanket statements about all Honda owners and then calling them ricers.
As for the topic at hand:
Overlooking the fact that 98% of Japanese and American performance cars produced today are uglier that a rusted turd with vomit on it. I would say the US is laying smack on the Japanese. Just like they always have been.
300 dollar shell + k series+boost.
Then the typical (same) anti Honda guys making blanket statements about all Honda owners and then calling them ricers.
As for the topic at hand:
Overlooking the fact that 98% of Japanese and American performance cars produced today are uglier that a rusted turd with vomit on it. I would say the US is laying smack on the Japanese. Just like they always have been.
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You're on your own. For a RX enthusiast I'm surprised you like the RX-8 so much. The RX-8 Was such a down grade and an embarrassment to RX owners around the world.
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