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Old 05-16-2011 | 10:23 PM
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how about some pics of those plugs after few weeks haha
also have you ever tuned with E100 compared too meth injection
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Originally Posted by fitbikeco
how about some pics of those plugs after few weeks haha
also have you ever tuned with E100 compared too meth injection
What is your point? The plugs will look the same in a few weeks as they do right now. I wouldn't bother tuning with E100 as it has already been proven there is no real benefits over E85, plus it will require extra demand on the fuel system.
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Old 05-17-2011 | 10:31 AM
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I ment using e100 injection compared to the meth and when me and drew used it we gained alot more timing compared to injecting meth. E85 is like 105 octane and E100 is 120octane how is it not beneficial i think its wonderful. have you actually used it????
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Originally Posted by fitbikeco
I ment using e100 injection compared to the meth and when me and drew used it we gained alot more timing compared to injecting meth. E85 is like 105 octane and E100 is 120octane how is it not beneficial i think its wonderful. have you actually used it????
Just because you are using a fuel that allows you to add more ignition timing into the car, does not necessarily mean you are gaining more power. When adding ignition timing on any setup, you eventually reach the point of diminishing returns. Octane rating is not the only factor in being able to add more ignition timing and make more power.

Ethanol and methanol, based on my testings and comparisons to other setups, are right on par with each other. The major differences between the two are, ethanol is not corrosive but methanol has far superior cooling properties.

I have already proven with my personal car that comparable power can easily be achieved with 93+methanol vs other Evo's of equal setups on E85. As I stated earlier, there isn't really anything to gain going to E100 over E85 as the fuel is so knock resistant with an 85% mix already, you will not see any significant gains going with a higher %. This is a proven fact that has been demonstrated by numerous big name shops around the country.
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Old 05-17-2011 | 12:30 PM
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how long did the pump survive using ethanol? the seal in the pumps cant handle anything with a gasoline base to it .. e85 will kill the pump rather quickly compared to methanol which can last about 6-8 months.

im not sure of e100 since it would be pure ethanol but even e98 will kill the pumps.

and what ryu mentioned about the cooling capability of methanol over ethanol is true.

although the e100 is an interesting concept. not many have been able to test it and see what can actually be done with it .. and the benefit of going full e85 rather than an axillary injection system out weighs it all.
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Old 05-17-2011 | 01:00 PM
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i never had problem using the e100 in the pump the e85 has petroleum in it and that is what kills the pumps. I was just asking i do have different setup and i found when injecting meth it burned faster so we couldnt get enough into the cylinder to make a substantial difference in octane because it burnt so fast, but when we put e100 in the pump with the same pill we were able to take more injector out cause the e100 burned slower exactly 1.0 afr richer so we were using me race gas than pump and were able to get more boost and timing out of the car does this make sense?
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Originally Posted by fitbikeco
i never had problem using the e100 in the pump the e85 has petroleum in it and that is what kills the pumps. I was just asking i do have different setup and i found when injecting meth it burned faster so we couldnt get enough into the cylinder to make a substantial difference in octane because it burnt so fast, but when we put e100 in the pump with the same pill we were able to take more injector out cause the e100 burned slower exactly 1.0 afr richer so we were using me race gas than pump and were able to get more boost and timing out of the car does this make sense?
Perhaps it's just the way your describing it that sounds wrong but, that doesn't make sense. What size jet are you using? When we turned on Orlando's methanol kit @ 24psi with the tune on it from the previous tuner, the AFR's dropped to over 2 1/2 points richer. I assure you that this car would not make any more power with E100 being injected as we are not knock limited in the least. There is a good amount of timing in the car currently and it has yet to even reach the knock threshold. At this point the car needs more efficiently flowing parts.
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Old 05-17-2011 | 02:19 PM
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I don't think he's talking about my car Ryu. I think he means as a theory in general .
My car was deep 9.s In af when Meth was turned on. Car was running 12.2 afs. With previous tuners tune
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you totally dont understand i know it gets richer with meth....... im saying if your tuned at 24psi or what ever and your afrs are 12.0 and then you put E100 in your tank your afrs will change to closer to 11.0 because the fuel burns slowerrr. so that means you can take more injector out and you will be burning more race gas than pump do you understand now!!!
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Originally Posted by fitbikeco
you totally dont understand i know it gets richer with meth....... im saying if your tuned at 24psi or what ever and your afrs are 12.0 and then you put E100 in your tank your afrs will change to closer to 11.0 because the fuel burns slowerrr. so that means you can take more injector out and you will be burning more race gas than pump do you understand now!!!
Yes, and that is exactly what we have done with the methanol. There is nothing special that E100 w/ secondary injection can do over 100% methanol w/ a secondary injection system. I still don't understand what point your trying to make.
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