Centrifugal supercharged KA?
Centrifugal supercharged KA?
so, I was wondering if their is anything besides mounting fabrication that would need to be done to do something like this. any ones input would be appriciated. Any one think of any problems please post. to my knowledge it would be just a fabrication issue and placement. Also any one know if anybody has run into problems with efficiency or didn't turn out how they expected please post. o yea, Im sure if you are smart enough to post issues you know the diff between a cent super charger and a pos-displacment. If not the centrifugal supercharger looks exactly like a turbo but belt driven pulley on the reverse side of the intake(had to post that so people understood the diff in how the set up might affect it,sorry)
i had ideas for it. it would be alot easier than a roots honestly. i would mount it in place of the a/c compressor on a beefy bracket. that way it can run on it's own belt from the crank pulley. clock the housing to point towards the frame rail, plumb a front mount intercooler on it, and done.
could possibly mount it up above the PS stuff, but it would have to clear the distributor.
could possibly mount it up above the PS stuff, but it would have to clear the distributor.
heres what I read tho on ka-t.org about the same concept and what some one posted about it....any one have any arguements against what he is saying?
"a centrifugal blower builds boost exponentially based on the speed of the turbine. You have to determine your max boost level at redline and set the pulley size accordingly. Since boost builds exponentially you end up with little boost or none at idle, maybe a little bit in the mid range, and a whole bunch at redline. The turbo has the impeller speed independent of the motor speed so it can spool up to max boost relatively quickly at low rpms and then stay at max boost with regulation from the wastegate. This is actually the only real advantage that a turbo has over a supercharger. So with the centrifugal supercahrger you still have the parasitic drag of the supercharger but you also have a lot of lag because it can't make full boost until redline. The worst of both worlds. With a roots style blower you have instant boost with no lag and theoretically a wider power band with more area under the curve. A roots blower does have parasitic loss but that could be argued as close to equal with the power loss from the turbo's exhaust restriction." -----I just dont understand then why people use a centrafugial supercharger if what hes saying is right.......on another note, could you use a small turbo to create boost at low rpm till the SC had time to creat more boost? do a twincharged type of deal.
"a centrifugal blower builds boost exponentially based on the speed of the turbine. You have to determine your max boost level at redline and set the pulley size accordingly. Since boost builds exponentially you end up with little boost or none at idle, maybe a little bit in the mid range, and a whole bunch at redline. The turbo has the impeller speed independent of the motor speed so it can spool up to max boost relatively quickly at low rpms and then stay at max boost with regulation from the wastegate. This is actually the only real advantage that a turbo has over a supercharger. So with the centrifugal supercahrger you still have the parasitic drag of the supercharger but you also have a lot of lag because it can't make full boost until redline. The worst of both worlds. With a roots style blower you have instant boost with no lag and theoretically a wider power band with more area under the curve. A roots blower does have parasitic loss but that could be argued as close to equal with the power loss from the turbo's exhaust restriction." -----I just dont understand then why people use a centrafugial supercharger if what hes saying is right.......on another note, could you use a small turbo to create boost at low rpm till the SC had time to creat more boost? do a twincharged type of deal.
Last edited by Speed cat; 04-27-2008 at 09:55 AM.
you're are starting to answer all of your questions.
why would you waste your time with a supercharger if performance is your goal?
you have to wait for redline for your little 8 pounds of boost, meanwhile, the guy next to you with a turbo hit his 8 pounds some 4k rpms ago, and is now a car length ahead.
Sure, you can get the same peak HP and what not, the problem is, you aren't going to get it until it is useless.
people say you don't have turbo lag with a supercharger, but that is because your boost slowly grows with your rpms so you don't ever have the sudden power increase you have when a turbo spools.
if you are looking to be different, then a supercharger is the way to go
but if you are looking for performance, then stick with a turbo.