Whats the best/money wise/performance (which yes I understand is hard to achieve) but over all good turbo for a B16a motor that isnt built up or reinforced? Maybe a street kit running 8 or 10 psi tops? Any opinons?

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Honda. Full Treatment.

 

Wow...A question in this Forum...How cool.
you have several options for forced induction on a b-16.

1. NOS- Baby bottle. I dont like...

2. Supercharger-
Jackson Racing- good kit. Easy to deal with. LAck of serious HP #s. Great torque at low end though!
Vortech- New to the market. Has better #s and looks promising
Endyn Supercharger- Forget about it. It may never happen.

3. Turbo-
Drag Gen III- My personal favorite. Fit isnt perfect but the #s are the best.
F-max or Rev-Hard- Fit is better and the HP #s are adequate. More $$$ though
Greddy- Good fit no #s yet but I expect them to be low.
HKS- Not much info heard HP #s suck

Did this help?
RR

[This message has been edited by RiceRocket (edited 11-01-2000).]

 

Yes it helped alot. I have read about the Drag Rev Hard and the FMax kit and so far I believe the Fmax kits is a complete kit. I know its a lil bit more $$$ but so far looks pretty good for the buck. I had a JRSC in my civic and I liked it though a 8psi pulley and fuel pump would of been a bit better. Another question...is it easy/better to build a turbo kit peice by piece or just buy the complete kit all at once? I know GReddy makes a street kit which seems decent for the dollar and with an intercooler BOV fuel system boost management and all the controllers and guages running 9 or 10 psi doenst seem too unrealistic. Am I close? I know the power proably isnt the same as the Rev Hard and F-Max and so far Im leaning towards the Stage II Rev Hard or F-Max but for just plan on street racing is the GReddy even worth considering?

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Honda. Full Treatment.

 

The deal with turbos is CFM. 8psi on a Drag turbo is no where near the CFM of a greddy turbo. The greddy is smaller (so less lag?)

 

CFM is not near as important as efficiency. You need to look at Boost intended CFM (which is calculated from RPM and engine displacement) and then match to a turbo that is efficient in the boost range you need.

CFM being equal a larger turbo will generally be more efficient (well from the point its fully spooled) so...

14psi from a large turbo can produce at much power as 17psi from a small turbo because the large turbo is more efficient and the air discharge temps are much lower (there by making more power). BUT if you run say 8psi from the same large turbo and 8psi from the small the small may end up making more power because it is more efficient in that CFM range.

SO...pick a turbo that is designed for your application. I dont like off-the-shelf kits too much since they arent designed specifically for the application BUT it may end up being more cost effective.


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John
90 Talon TSi AWD (2KW K4U)
91 Galant VR-4 (1574/2000)
http://tampabay.dsm.org

 

First off you have a Honda...ignore the DSM people. Your best bet...and best kit in my opinion is the DRAG gen 3 kit. It has everything you need. The f-max kit is appealing because of its 2 additional injectors however f-max is notorious for DUMPING fuel because of these injectors. Also if you go with the Drag kit...throw away the in line fuel pump and go with a large in tank pump... I know what can happen with an inline personally and its not a possitive thing. Hope this helps

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ROCKY
TEG Widower
Hatch Builder

 

Turbo theory applies across the board to any make (import/domestic i4/i6/v6/v8 DSM/Honda)...but you know that so why exclude the DSMers?

Why buy a kit (unless you just want the stickers)? The price MIGHT be lower but it would make more sense to shop around and see what it would cost to put together your own kit for possibly LESS. Another benefit...you can CHOOSE your turbo and customize the spool up max boost and pick out an effeciency map that fits your driving style.

Granted youd have to learn a little bit about forced induction but if you plan on running a turbo you might want to do that anyway.

OR you can buy an off the shelf kit and hope it works for you...

But then again I drive a DSM...so I dont know shit about turbos.


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John
90 Talon TSi AWD (2KW K4U)
91 Galant VR-4 (1574/2000)
http://tampabay.dsm.org

 

I dont know anything about Engines or Turbos. My whole engine/turbo setup is factory bone stock. Guess thats why I can only run 13.001...

Rocky what was your best time in the Teg?

JFWY

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Joe
94TSiAWD
http://www.cr-racing.com/talonpage.htm
13.001 @ 106.55

[This message has been edited by 94TSiAWD (edited 11-13-2000).]

 

Invader: I was aiming my comments about the kit not at CFM and other numbers.

Best time on the teg 13.3@110 on street tires not AWD on a barely boosting 9psi. Car was capable of more. Anyways In January we shall see what my new ET will be. On another note... Custom Kit for a Honda= well over $5000 dont believe me? Making it perform at its optimim level over $20000. Precise tuning...Priceless. What do you get when you put all of this together??? We shall see soon after Christmas.

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ROCKY
TEG Widower
Hatch Builder

 

Damn how about this a non DSM or Honda guy speaks about turbos. First before you get a turbo read Corky Bells Maximum Boost Learn before you buy and the DSM guys are right you must look at the efficency and try to match up what you want to do I can garuantee you that a huge turbo will be a big problem on a honda with no enigine work because of the displacement and engine load. I personally would make my own kit or peice it together myself so i know exactly what goes in there and not some assembly line. And trust me none of this is taking from a damn magazine. I personally hate when people read one magazine about turbos and they think there an expert. And I do not believe that I am an expert.

Hope this helps

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Al Powers East coast pres.
www.streetracing.org